[Frage] Sommer / Winter Erkennung

[Robert_Mini]

Die Frage gab's im Knx-UF gerade mal.

In kurz:

um 7 Uhr T1
um 14 uhr T2
um 22 uhr. T3

T= (T1+T2+T3+T3) / 4

T > 16 Sommer, T<= 16 Winter

Find ich interessant und setzte ich demnächst als custom logik um.

Gerade für Beschattungsumschaltung ausreichend. Ideal wäre natürlich, wenn T1-T3 zusätzlich als Prognose vorliegen würden, dann könnte man das noch erweitern.

Lg
Robert

[cheater]

Ja damit fahre ich für Jalousien schon länger sehr gut.

[alexbeer]

Mit dem von Bodo vorgestellten OpenWeatherMap Node ist die 5-Tage Vorhersage schnell gemacht:
viewtopic.php?f=71&t=1430&start=60#p16871

Bei Bedarf dokumentiere ich das auch für die KB.

Auf einen Logic-Baustein zur dynamischen Sommer-/Winter-Berechnung bin ich gespannt.
VG Alex

[Robert_Mini]

@alexbeer:
Das wäre super!
Ich steuere dann eine erweiterte Custom Logik bei, wobei das ein idealer Fall zum Einstieg in Customs für andere ist.

Lg
Robert

[Matze76]

Schöne Sache!

Wer statt mit NodeRed lieber mit openHAB arbeitet, kann sich die Werte von "OpenWeatherMap" auch darüber holen und auf den KNX schicken:

https://www.openhab.org/addons/bindings/openweathermap/

[alexbeer]

Hier die versprochene Doku - ggf für die KB:
Wetterdaten von https://openweathermap.org/ für Logiken im TWS verwenden
Der Zugriff auf die Wetterdaten von owm erfolgt über eine REST-API. Sehr einfach kann diese REST-API über den Node-Red Knoten https://flows.nodered.org/node/node-red ... weathermap erfolgen.

Registrierung bei https://openweathermap.org/
Die Authentifizierung gegenüber der owm REST-API erfolgt über API-Keys. Um einen API-Key zu generieren, ist eine Registrierung unter https://home.openweathermap.org/users/sign_up erforderlich.

Nach erfolgter Registrierung sind unter https://home.openweathermap.org/api_keys die Schlüssel zu erzeugen.
Tipp: Je Aufruf sollte ein Schlüssel erzeugt werden - also ein Schlüssel für die IST-Wetter-Daten und einer für die Vorhersage.



Installation Node Red auf TWS via Portainer
Exemplarisch wird in dieser Doku die OWM-API über einen Node Red-Knoten aufgerufen. Hierzu muss Node Red - falls noch nicht vorhanden auf dem TWS per Portainer installiert werden.

Die Doku zu Installation von Node Red auf dem TWS ist hier beschrieben: viewtopic.php?f=71&t=1430&hilit=node+red#p14790


Import OWM-Node in Node Red
Via Browser auf die den Node Red Editor zugreifen. Bei mir 192.168.1.3:1880

Über das "Hamburger Menü den Eintrag "Palette verwalten" aufrufen:


Auf dem Tab "Install" nun nach "openweathermap" suchen und den Node installieren


Import: KNX-Ultimate Node
Via Browser auf die den Node Red Editor zugreifen. Bei mir 192.168.1.3:1880

Über das "Hamburger Menü den Eintrag "Palette verwalten" aufrufen:


Auf dem Tab "Install" nun nach "knx-ultimate" suchen und den Node installieren

Der Entwickler dieses Nodes ist auch im KNXUF aktiv: https://knx-user-forum.de/forum/%C3%B6f ... r-node-red

Anschließend muss der Node KNX-Ultimate noch konfiguriert werden:
Hierzu im Menü auf der rechten Seite den Menüpunkt "Konfigurations-Node" auswählen


Bei mir sieht das wie folgt aus:


Aus der ETS können die GA's exportiert und hier importiert werden, so dass die Selektion einfacher fällt.

Flow: openweathermap
Eine generelle Doku ist hier zu finden: http://noderedguide.com/node-red-lectur ... #more-1242 (suche nach openweathermap)



Mein Flow sieht wie oben dargestellt aus:

Via Menü (oben rechts) --> Import --> Zwischenablage -->STRG+V --> Import könnt ihr den Flow so in euren Node Red-Editor importieren.
Den Ort müsst ihr noch anpassen und der API-Key muss auch noch eingefügt werden.
Der obere Teil enthält die aktuellen Wetterdaten, der untere Teil die Vorhersage.

Besonders elegant ist das Ganze nicht, aber für den Anfang ggf übersichtlicher…

INFO:
Die freie OWM-APi liefert die Vorhersage "nur" alle 3 Stunden und nicht stündlich. Leider sind folgende Uhrzeiten nicht möglich:

um 7 Uhr T1
um 14 uhr T2
um 22 uhr. T3

.
Ich habe mich für 6:00, 15:00 und 21:00 entschieden. Sollte das nicht passen, müssen aus dem Array andere Zeilen berücksichtigt werden...

Code: Alles auswählen

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Bugs
Die Zeiten "Sonnenaufgang und Sonnenuntergang werden von OWM als UTC Timestamp geliefert. Hier fehlt noch die Konvertierung in die lokale Zeitzone.

VG Alex

[blaubaerli]

Hallo zusammen,

was spricht dagegen, sich die Daten über den Plugin-Container bzw. über ein Plugin in der App zu besorgen und darüber die Daten auf den Bus zu senden?

Ok, wer ohnehin NR benötigt, warum nicht. Aber für mich hört sich das gerade danach an, als wollte man mit dem Braunkohlebagger Brötchen holen fahren

Beste Grüße
Jens

[alexbeer]

Hi Jens,
Da spricht natürlich nichts dagegen. Bekanntlich führen viele Wege nach Rom.
Nur hierfür NR zu installieren ist natürlich Overkill.

Sobald der LE auch HTTP Requests beherrscht, ist meine Vorstellung, dass diese Abfrage vom LE übernommen wird.
VG Alex

[gbglace]

Im aktuellen Zustand braucht man eben einen Intermediär.

Und eigentlich sehe ich da keinen Unterschied ob nun nen NR Container oder Plugin-Container läuft. Wer nicht vom wiregate-kommt muss wohl per Zufall Könner von Perl sein um sich den zu installieren. Mehr Leute werden dann wohl NR bevorzugen, weils doch sehr einfach zu bedienen ist.

Insofern Alex super Einsatz zu dem Thema, weil so kommen auch Nicht-ITler wieder einen Schritt weiter.

[Robert_Mini]

@alexbeer: Danke für die tolle Anleitung!
Probier ich demnächst mal aus, vielleicht finde ich ja Gefallen an NR.

@Matze76: Danke für den Hinweis auf OpenHab. Schau ich mir auch an, obwohl ich ich mit OpenHab noch nicht ganz warm geworden bin.

Danke und lg
Robert